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By Armyoldsweat  |  Posted: November 16, 2012

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As a near octogenerain with my wife wheelchair user I suggest East Lindsey District Council adopt the practise of imposing an official medical certificate
and  £50 annual licence excise duty fee on all motorised battery operated 'Jolly-trolley' scooters.  Also, that owners be compelled to take out minimum third party insurance cover against injury or damage.   They are a menace on the road and nuisance on the pavement.  Frankly, a fair proportion of the users don't really need them being just too idle to walk.   Evident by the large number left outside shops jamming the pavement while the owners are inside browsing.  The tax would encourage more people to walk, help keep fit and combat obesity.    There are even double-header tandem scooters now with couples seemingly forming club groups dodging in and out while 'tanking' up and down Lumley Road, Skegness like demented teenagers with a care for no-one. It really does take the biscuit!    Hands-up all those agreeing.

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  • IT_MAN  |  November 19 2012, 7:44PM

    Localperson55: I can't disagree with anything you say, I studied the Highway Code and many regulations I could find before purchasing mine, I have only been out on it once and really enjoyed a ride round the village where we got married and first lived, better than doing it in a car. I found on many pavements with pedestrians 2mph is about as fast as you can go safely, most of the problem can be solved by each class of people having consideration for each other, most of the rules are just common sense but that is in short supply these days by young and old in many cases. I would love to see some kind of affordable regulation and training, when I got mine it cost as much to insure as my 206 estate did and was full of gimmics with hidden clauses, we just need simple third party cover in case of an accident to cover the other party if a claim is made, this should also apply to electric cycles or even better all cycles.

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  • Localperson55  |  November 19 2012, 1:19PM

    IT_Man - you are right about the registration of Class 3 scooters. What is clear is the laws relating to these machines is an 'ass' and does nothing to ensure their safe use whether on pavement on the road. The eyesight requirement is not a legal one and requires riders to self-regulate and advises the rider may have to pay compensation if eyesight was a factor in a collision. Overall, there seems to be little effective legislation and even less enforcement. See the following - https://http://tinyurl.com/c9njgak Google reveals many reported fatal incidents involving these scooters. I believe in 2010 there was a collison on Tritton Road, Lincoln that killed the mobility rider who had just acquired the vehicle and had it set to 8mph coming off the pavement onto a crossing (lights at green for cars) and was hit http://tinyurl.com/ca4obd3

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  • Armyoldsweat  |  November 19 2012, 12:46PM

    Hi-yer Whiley45, I like it...I like it. Sorry laddie but as an old soldier it's far too late to change my username now. By the way, have you done your bit for Queen and Country or are you one of the unemployed and sill in bed at 9.18am on a Monday morning?

  • VictorToo  |  November 19 2012, 10:01AM

    I have to agree with IT_Man on one point, and that's these electric powered bikes. As a cross between moped and cycles they fall in between both sets of laws. It's a motorised vehicle so it isn't a cycle, yet despite having a motor the riders don't need a licence, they don't pay road tax, don't need a helmet, yet race along cycle tracks faster than normal cyclists. What's that all about ?

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  • Whiley45  |  November 19 2012, 9:18AM

    Well armyoldsweat you certainly stirred a Hornets nest there. Just one thing though. Would you consider changing your user name. It is far too close to oldsweatyarmpit!

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  • IT_MAN  |  November 18 2012, 7:52PM

    adamcayhall: If I remember right there is an eye test similar to for driving a car but only required to read a number plate at about half the distance of a car driver. Localperson55: If the scooter can go faster than 4mph it is a Class3 scooter that can do up to 8mph on the highway, by law this Class should be registered with DVLA who will issue a Nil Duty tax disc and a log book. If tax disc not displayed it is illegal, why don't those half witted PCSO's check these things as I know many are not registered, I would also like to see the law changed to have to display a smaller number plate, at moment not required by law. After riding through Scunthorpe trying to avoid pedestrians on mobile phones wandering all over the place I put my new scooter in the garage where it has stayed for 4 years only used once. I use my van based car with high seating to get to shops where I can park close by and only buy from them shops as I can't walk far with sticks and hard to carry shopping with sticks, it would be nice to ride round town on my scooter to see all shops available to buy from but I don't see that in the near future.

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  • Localperson55  |  November 18 2012, 7:05PM

    http://tinyurl.com/cf5n5td This is an article about the growth in able bodied people using mobility scooters and their misuse by other groups. Sadly, legitimate and safe users are always tarred with the same brush. At the moment a rider does not need to be trained or have a licence and the scooter itself requires no insurance or registration. The government is thinking about regulating their use beyond the Highway Code but we might be waiting some time for this to come into law. Meanwhile, as for more local enforcement against bad driving perhaps the newly elected Police Commissioner might make it one of his Policing priorities!

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  • adamcayhall  |  November 18 2012, 9:51AM

    While we at it, why are they not required to have mandatory eye-tests too

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  • adamcayhall  |  November 18 2012, 9:50AM

    Surprised they can actually use the pavements with all the cycles using them

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  • IT_MAN  |  November 17 2012, 11:30PM

    A Class3 Mobility scooter does max 8mph, should be registerd with DVLA and display a free Tax Disc (no number plate required but I believe they should have to display a small number plate)and can be ridden on the highway, they must be switched to 4mph mode when on pavements. A class 2 mobility scooter does max 4mph and only allowed on pavements except to cross a road. Insurance is not required by law but I believe owners should be able to purchase low cost third party insurance. As for £50 road tax my car is only £30 a year and many small cars and electric cars do not pay road tax so why should a mobility scooter. Some people can walk a short distance only with aids which means they can go on scooter to shops and park outside shop get shopping and carry it home on scooter. Many people claiming Motability cars fully paid for by tax payer and only have to pay for petrol, many of these people can walk around un aided for greater distances so Motability should be stopped, at least many scooter users pay out of there own pocket. Some areas have Shop Mobility which loans scooter for 2 hours but you have to be tested and given a card to produce when one is loaned. I borrowed one to go to shops in Scunthorpe and found it a nightmare in pedestrian area having to avoid people wandering around talking on mobile phones they just walk into the scooters. I know there are many scooter riders that drive as though they have the right of way also drive above 4mph on pavements, on many pavements scooters can only manage 2mph safely. Time those useless PCSO's pulled up scooters to check tax disc and warn drivers for going to fast on pavements. What about bikes some of which are battery poered and can do double the speed of fastest mobility scooter and normal bikes that are ridden on pavements and out in dark without lights, should they not pay tax, be insured and have to take a test. At same time don't forget people with child pushchairs that will carve anybody up. Scooters, pushchairs and pedestrians have to learn to have respect for each other on the pavements.

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