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New move to tackle anti-social drinkers at Lincoln train station

By Lincolnshire Echo  |  Posted: October 12, 2012

Lincoln train station - police could call time on street drinkers outside the building

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Anti-social drinkers could be stopped from boozing outside Lincoln train station.

Police powers to call time on problem street drinking in the city could be extended to take in railway-owned land around St Mary's Street.

East Midlands Trains and British Transport Police are looking into the change following concerns from city councillors and the public.

Under an existing Designated Public Places Order, brought in by the City of Lincoln Council, officers can order nuisance boozers to stop drinking and hand over their alcohol.

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They can also order people to leave the DPPO area and can even issue a fine of up to £500 or a fixed penalty notice.

But land around the train station falls outside of the existing DPPO zone introduced this summer.

Spokesman for East Midlands Trains, Emma Knight, said: "While the city council's designated public places order does not currently cover the station, we are working with British Transport Police and the city council to see if this can be extended to cover the station.

"We are always looking to do more in partnership with the local community to help ensure the station offers a welcoming environment for our passengers and the local community.

"We are committed to working with our partners to reduce any instances of anti-social behaviour around Lincoln station."

Jackie Kirk, warden at St Mary le Wigford Church, which supports homeless people through its BeAttitude project, said: "The people that are drinking by the side of the railway station are not engaging with BeAttitude."

She agreed that a problem with anti-social behaviour and drinking exists because the area is outside the DPPO limits.

But taxi driver Dave Smalley, 67, said the rules must be enforced.

"We need visitors and tourists to come to Lincoln but the first thing they see when they get here is a load of drunks, which is disgusting," said Mr Smalley, who lives in North Hykeham.

"I'd like to see the order extended to include the land around the train station but I don't think it will make a difference.

"I don't think there will be anyone to enforce it.

"It's all right having rules, but someone needs to enforce them."

A designated public place order only gives police powers to act if drinking is causing public disorder.

It does not apply to peaceful activities like families having a picnic in the park with a glass of wine.

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  • Hazelkaye  |  October 16 2012, 8:32PM

    This is and always has been a RAILWAY station!

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  • Bolshie  |  October 13 2012, 9:54AM

    I can't believe how difficult to resolve these things have become and believe it is mostly down to the misguided do-gooders who blight our society. Reading the article: East Midlands Trains - "working with our partners to reduce instances of anti-social behaviour" - mealy mouthed nonsense that interprets as doing nothing. - "Working with BTP and the council to try and extend the DPPO" - interprets as "we know the bureacracy involved means this is unlikely and makes this the ideal tool to extend the time in which we do nothing whilst appearing to do something - after all words cost nothing so for us this is the most profitable option". -"Working with the local community to ensure a warm and welcoming reception" - read as "Not sure what it's got to do with the local community as this is a business we run - but if we say this it looks like we're doing something and buys us time; after all words cost nothing so the longer we talk the more profitable our business and what harm is a few drunks anyway?" Church warden: - "The drunks at the station aren't part of our project to help the homeless". Translate that as "We're really sorry our project brought these disengaged undesirables into your environment but we're not even going to offer an excuse for doing nothing - we can see them but can't help because they're not volunteers, so unless someone compels them to come for us to help we're only dealing with the nice friendly ones we can handle". -" I agree the problem exists because the land is outside the DPPO". Means - "why wouldn't I agree? - you're blaming someone else not me so of course I agree". Notable for their total absence of comment (well done the Echo, fabulous journalism): Lincoln City Council British Transport Police Lincolnshire Police Force Any of the perpetrators Station users. Dave Smalley however is, I believe, bang on the nail. Come on Lincoln Council - sort this out and quickly. Perhaps you should consider: - Extending the DPPO but in such a way as the landowner is punishable as well as the perpetrator of the 'anti-social act'. If you hit the Station Operator in the pocket or limit their licence to operate the site they'll soon invest in stopping the problem. - Encourage the relevant authorities to give the church an ASBO - if they can't stop the unwanted side effects of their well meaning but misguided aid programme from blighting the surrounding area then they should be closed down. - Direct the police to remove anyone there that is drunk and disorderly; as far as I'm aware this is still an offence whether a DPPO is in place or not. - Encourage magistrates/judges to bang them up when they appear in court. Foreign nationals should be deported but realistically that is all but impossible given the state of our laws and the involvement of the various courts involved in individual human rights at the expense of those supporting communities or society. The "concerned" public should take positive action - if we all made it clear to our councillors that we expect them so resolve this problem by Christmas and that our vote to return them at the next election depended on thier doing so they may get a modicum of interest. But I doubt it.

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  • subeeloo  |  October 13 2012, 7:04AM

    I see them all everyday sat outside and around the church with their cans and bottles of cider. I just can't get my head around why the church wardens don't do anything about it! I go into town on the bus and back again, and the same drunks are there guzzling their booze! How can they afford it for a start if they are 'homeless'? DO SOMETHING PLEASE, it's a disgrace to see this outside a church of all places!!!

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  • IT_MAN  |  October 12 2012, 10:40PM

    Why not ban all drinking of alcohol in all public places nationwide, only carrying of sealed containers of alcohol from shop to home should be allowed.

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  • Bill_Door  |  October 12 2012, 9:26PM

    That's a truly terrible photograph.

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  • peak3  |  October 12 2012, 8:56PM

    this has been going on for many months thanks to the church beliefs without any regard to reality, the city council are to blame too allowing scum of the earth to reside outside public premises & its time to get rid, time after time these type no mads put discust to the city of lincoln as soon as pasengers walk away from OUR STAION THEY ARE FACED WITH SCUM OF THE EARTH, well done the church im sure its a prime example of what lincoln is all about?

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  • screenman  |  October 12 2012, 6:57PM

    Boston managed to stop drinking on the benches in the street quite easily. Trouble is for the elderly or infirm there is no where to stop for a rest, since they pulled them all up.

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  • justrae84  |  October 12 2012, 6:02PM

    Ironically since the "DDPO" came into place I've noticed more nuisance drunks around lincoln city centre mainly near the train station and on portland street. Its getting to the point where myself and friends feel unsafe walking around lincoln on an evening.

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  • icomm  |  October 12 2012, 3:05PM

    If I was King they'd all be removed from society and put on an island somewhere, it would make our city a much nicer place to be..

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  • blindimp  |  October 12 2012, 2:29PM


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